It would have to be the right type. Very intense environment.
Mir Yeshiva (Yeshivas Mir Yerushalayim)
Yeshivas Mir Yerushalayim · Jerusalem (Beit Yisrael)
Mir Yeshiva (Yeshivas Mir Yerushalayim) is a Haredi yeshiva in Jerusalem, for gap-year students, men only.
One of the largest yeshivot in the world with thousands of students; its core beit midrash is predominantly Israeli/Haredi, but it also hosts a very large, long-established American/overseas division for English speakers.
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Who it's for
Fits English-speaking men who want to learn within one of the world's largest yeshivot through its established overseas division; serious learners comfortable in a very large beit midrash.
- Duration
- Ongoing / Flexible — Open-ended, typically many years
- How to sign up
- Apply through the online application portal or contact the yeshiva office directly. https://apply.themir.org/mir/apply
- Contact
- info@themir.orgNot yet verified+972-2-372-4136https://themir.org/
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Would you recommend it to a friend?
How much did your connection to israel grow
Tons. Not necessarily to "Medinat Yisrael", but specifically to Israeli Charedi society. Through this, was able to understand/relate to another part of Klal Yisrael, and ironically relate to a fuller range of Israeli culture.
How much did your Hebrew actually improve, honestly, by the end?
Some, by schmoozing with people at lunch.
How did you typically spend your free evenings during the program?
Not many free evenings. The pressure was for married guys to be going to night seder, in bais medrish near their home, for at least an hour or 2. Realistically, getting home to Har Nof at 8 PM each night, with my wife working until 3 PM and taking care of children, this was not so realistic for our family. We quietly made the family decision not to pursue an "official night seder". Most nights were filled with doing dishes, cleaning up the house, and spending a few spare minutes with my wife. When my rebbe found out, he offered to sponsor "a one-man Kollel", i.e. giving me a small check to commit to learn in a Bais Medrish near home at night. I declined. However, that inspired me to make time to learn at home a bit each night.
How much did your experience depend on which specific staff/rabbis/madrichim you got?
You can definitely go under the radar. Guys are coming from prior yeshivas, not starting until at least age 21. Most guys are married, and doing their own thing. However, if you make an effort, you can definitely make a kesher with rabbeim, and receive incredible hadracha.
How much were you treated as an adult vs. managed like a student?
Was never directly pressured for anything. No one gets upset at you being late for first seder. They have a "9:30 rule". If you're late, you run the risk of losing your seat. No one ever said "wear a white shirt", but you don't want to be the one guy in a bais medrish of 800+ wearing something different. There's no rebbe telling you to stop schmoozing and get back to learning. However, you can barely hear your chavrusa next to you. It's a very loud learning environment. You would never want to schmooze. The environment is such that the learning is super inspiring, you wouldn't want to schmooze during seder.
How much freedom did you have over your own time and choices?
You need a "Kosher phone" to enroll in yeshiva (not data, or even texting). Apartments are officially not supposed to have Wifi. As a married guy, we had Wifi, and it was a personal decision. But it's not in the culture of the yeshiva, or part of the conversation. No one is bashing smartphones, but nobody has them (at least publicly).
How much prior Torah learning background did you need to keep up?
Tons. At least 3 years advanced yeshiva learning before hand.
How much free time do you have outside of a learning schedule?
1.5 hours for lunch, 1.5 hours for dinner.
How was the food, realistically, day to day?
Great!
How would you rate the living conditions?
Most guys do not live in the dorms. There's apartments in nearby areas, mostly in Bais Yisroel and Arzei Habirah. Married guys live in "the tri-state area"... AKA Ramat Eshkol, Ma'alot Dafna, and Sanhedria-Merchevet. These areas have strong concentration of American/British Kollel couples, most of them staying 1-5 years. But there are some that stay, and many Charedi Israeli families living there as well.
How much privacy/personal space did you have?
Not much. 8,500 guys in a few blocks is tight. 800+ guys in 4th floor Bais Yeshaya ("the American Bais Medrish). Lunch time, thousands of people served in 20 minutes. A lot of Israeli type pushing/shoving. But this was incredible. Sitting next to someone new each day, talking in Hebrew, about the sugya. You don't have anything else in common with these guys. This taught me "Torah is the National language of the Jewish People". Was always inspiring.
How much did the hebrew that you learned in the program stick or fade?
It stayed.
How available are resources for learning hebrew, (ie ulpan)?
Not much. Gemara and meforshim develop through osmosis. No official learning program to learn Hebrew.
How much of the day did you need to use Hebrew vs. able to fall back on English?
Spoke in English for the majority of the day.
How much did the program strengthen your intention to build a life in Israel?
Significant amount.
Did the program give you a real social circle of Israelis to lean on?
Not much.
How easily did you find people you clicked with?
Fairly well.
How much do you feel you gained close friendships that lasted?
Not necessarily in Mir. But from Har Nof where we lived. Relationships were built on, and have continued with Talmud Torah as the foundation of the friendship.
Overall, how was the program?
The learning was incredible. Literally Har Sinai on Planet Earth.
Was the program what you expected, or different?
Exactly what I expected.
How much are you still connected to learning now, after the program?
I learn the daf, and love learning.
Did the learning translate into something you kept doing after the program?
Yes. I can't say I do as much Iyun as I did in my yeshiva years. But it grew my ahavas haTorah tremendously from where it already was. Yeshiva gave me the drive (almost pressure) and confidence to finish the masechta during b'kius seder. Translated into Daf Yomi, which I excitedly do in post-yeshiva years, even when nobody else is around, and I am not in a pressuring learning environment.
How much did the program push you out of your comfort zone?
A lot. Not directly. But the intensity of the environment pushes you in ways that are very different from the typical American learning environment. Even for an American yeshivish boy. All the more so, someone from a Modox background.
How much did the program actually make you want to stay in Israel?
Significant amount. Rebbe was very pressuring. Wanted us to stay. Not just in Israel, but continue learning in Kollel for a few more years. Was disappointed to see me return to Chutz La'aretz, even to teach Torah. But have BH kept in touch via email the past 6 years. We are still very close.
Alumni References
Some past participants have offered to answer questions about their experience.
- Josh Forgosh · attended 2016-2020
Learning, nearby housing, navigating post-Mir life, anything else... hmu!
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